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crusthatecean) wrote2012-08-18 08:24 am
crusthatecean) wrote2012-08-18 08:24 am
MEMORY 03
MEMORY Romcom Knowledge, Trivial Positive
GAINED Day 168, Sea Witch and Hook Game
FORM Jar of fish smells (3/4 uses left)
Karkat is remembering his slightly obsessive love of romantic comedies! We don't really know much about these movies, since the majority of them are troll films. We can see some examples of his favorite movies from the posters in his room:
Troll Hitch and Troll Serendipity
Troll 50 First Dates
Troll The Switch and Human Good Luck Chuck and My Best Friend's Girl
These are just examples of some of Karkat's favorites, whereas he'll be remembering his general knowledge of troll romcoms and the few human romcoms he's seen. From these examples, we know that troll movies have extremely long titles that just describe the plots of the movies, they share plots and actors with human films, and Karkat's taste is seriously, seriously questionable. But he will defend these movies against all criticism and insists that they are not only good, but sociologically interesting depictions of romantic relationships.
I'll be making up the plots of his favorite films to the extent that it ever becomes relevant, but they'll have some basis in actual human romcoms.
EFFECTS Not much major. He'll be aware of his interest in romance, troll movies, and have a basic understanding of romance tropes.
He hasn't yet remembered troll romance, but since his (slightly weird fixated) knowledge of romance comes mainly from his movies, he'll basically have a sense of it. However, his sense will be somewhat different because it will be developed now from what he's seen in movies, rather than in the context of Alternia with some real life information.
In canon, Karkat's description of romance is long-winded, doesn't seem to be obvious to the troll he's explaining it to, and refers to the two main romantic emotions as "pity and hate". Pity and hate doesn't actually describe how most trolls look at romance though -- other trolls seem to use rivalry more than hate, and love/affection terms instead of pity. To me, pity especially strikes me as the way an insecure boy who wants to seem like a badass in a culture that doesn't value positive relationships much would describe love! Some people take the pity comment literally but to me this doesn't really describe how troll relationships are actually shown to be like.
In Aather, he won't have the societal context and fear of being an outcast that would lead him to trying to deny positive emotions so much! But he'll also have an even more silly/unrealistic picture of romance than usual since his context only comes from bad movies.
TROLL ROMANCE A brief description is necessary! Images/gifs below. If you're canon familiar this is all pretty obvious stuff. Troll romance is usually described as quadrants:
The right are conciliatory quadrants, which are non-sexual but not platonic. The left are concupiscent romantic relationships. While red romance / black romance refer to both the top and bottom quadrants respectively, the trolls often use these terms as shorthand for the concupiscent quadrants.
♥ Matesprites / Flushed Romance / Red Romance / <3 In canon, flushed romance is described as very similar to human romantic love (and a human couple is given as an example). Obvious stuff!
♠ Kismesis / Black Romance / Caliginous Romance / <3< Hate/rivalry based romance:
The canon examples we see involve a lot of quadrant vacillation (switching between flushed and caliginous), but while that may be somewhat common, it's probably also largely because our protagonists are confused teens. This is also very different from platonic hate, in the same way platonic friendships are different from flushed romance.
♦ Moirallegiance / Pale Romance / <> Non-sexual, pacification and caretaking based romance. Humans would see this as platonic, but to trolls it is not! Moirallegiance usually involves a dangerous troll that needs to be pacified and a more even-tempered troll who does the pacification, like so:
But, like we see with Equius and Nepeta (our most functional pale romance for most of canon), there is definitely a caretaking/protection/teaching element! Nepeta is the pacifying partner, Equius feels the need to teach and take care of Nepeta, and she feels an obligation to listen to him somewhat. The important thing is that moirails are not simply best friends forever! It is a romantic relationship that first and foremost serves a pacification/conciliatory purpose.
♣ Auspictice / Ashen Romance / c3< An auspictice mediates between two trolls who hate each other! The purpose is to defuse the situation and prevent it from getting out of hand, or to prevent the two trolls from developing a caliginous relationship if that isn't a good idea.
We haven't really seen a functional ashen relationship in canon, so instead:
KARKAT'S CHEESY MOVIE BASED IMPRESSIONS: While Karkat will understand the basics, he'll have a really unrealistic picture of romance. Every relationship is serendipitous! It's simply meant to be, and you can tell immediately meeting someone that they're someone special, even if there's not a smooth path to a happy ending. It's love or hate at first sight that is simply meant to be! Obstacles couples face may include nefarious romantic rivals or unfortunate misunderstandings or a partner who has given up on romance and has to learn to follow their heart again, but other problems mean they aren't the one.
I'm also going to guess romcoms tend to put moirails and auspictices on a pedestal -- think about the best friend who always gives flawless advice in romcoms to follow your heart, and you have the conciliatory quadrants. That is, unless they are trying to get our protagonist's concupiscent quadrant for themselves! There are also romcoms about these quadrants, of course.
Also guessing that troll romcoms involve a lot of vacillation. Since trolls are also culled if they don't have their quadrants filled, a happy ending in a romcom involves a romantic rival being killed by imperial drones, that is unless they are sympathetic in which case they'll switch to a different quadrant. Either way, troll romcoms are surprisingly violent and brutal for romantic fluff movies.
GAINED Day 168, Sea Witch and Hook Game
FORM Jar of fish smells (3/4 uses left)
Karkat is remembering his slightly obsessive love of romantic comedies! We don't really know much about these movies, since the majority of them are troll films. We can see some examples of his favorite movies from the posters in his room:
These are just examples of some of Karkat's favorites, whereas he'll be remembering his general knowledge of troll romcoms and the few human romcoms he's seen. From these examples, we know that troll movies have extremely long titles that just describe the plots of the movies, they share plots and actors with human films, and Karkat's taste is seriously, seriously questionable. But he will defend these movies against all criticism and insists that they are not only good, but sociologically interesting depictions of romantic relationships.
I'll be making up the plots of his favorite films to the extent that it ever becomes relevant, but they'll have some basis in actual human romcoms.
EFFECTS Not much major. He'll be aware of his interest in romance, troll movies, and have a basic understanding of romance tropes.
He hasn't yet remembered troll romance, but since his (slightly weird fixated) knowledge of romance comes mainly from his movies, he'll basically have a sense of it. However, his sense will be somewhat different because it will be developed now from what he's seen in movies, rather than in the context of Alternia with some real life information.
In canon, Karkat's description of romance is long-winded, doesn't seem to be obvious to the troll he's explaining it to, and refers to the two main romantic emotions as "pity and hate". Pity and hate doesn't actually describe how most trolls look at romance though -- other trolls seem to use rivalry more than hate, and love/affection terms instead of pity. To me, pity especially strikes me as the way an insecure boy who wants to seem like a badass in a culture that doesn't value positive relationships much would describe love! Some people take the pity comment literally but to me this doesn't really describe how troll relationships are actually shown to be like.
In Aather, he won't have the societal context and fear of being an outcast that would lead him to trying to deny positive emotions so much! But he'll also have an even more silly/unrealistic picture of romance than usual since his context only comes from bad movies.
TROLL ROMANCE A brief description is necessary! Images/gifs below. If you're canon familiar this is all pretty obvious stuff. Troll romance is usually described as quadrants:
The right are conciliatory quadrants, which are non-sexual but not platonic. The left are concupiscent romantic relationships. While red romance / black romance refer to both the top and bottom quadrants respectively, the trolls often use these terms as shorthand for the concupiscent quadrants.
♥ Matesprites / Flushed Romance / Red Romance / <3 In canon, flushed romance is described as very similar to human romantic love (and a human couple is given as an example). Obvious stuff!
♠ Kismesis / Black Romance / Caliginous Romance / <3< Hate/rivalry based romance:
The canon examples we see involve a lot of quadrant vacillation (switching between flushed and caliginous), but while that may be somewhat common, it's probably also largely because our protagonists are confused teens. This is also very different from platonic hate, in the same way platonic friendships are different from flushed romance.
♦ Moirallegiance / Pale Romance / <> Non-sexual, pacification and caretaking based romance. Humans would see this as platonic, but to trolls it is not! Moirallegiance usually involves a dangerous troll that needs to be pacified and a more even-tempered troll who does the pacification, like so:
But, like we see with Equius and Nepeta (our most functional pale romance for most of canon), there is definitely a caretaking/protection/teaching element! Nepeta is the pacifying partner, Equius feels the need to teach and take care of Nepeta, and she feels an obligation to listen to him somewhat. The important thing is that moirails are not simply best friends forever! It is a romantic relationship that first and foremost serves a pacification/conciliatory purpose.
♣ Auspictice / Ashen Romance / c3< An auspictice mediates between two trolls who hate each other! The purpose is to defuse the situation and prevent it from getting out of hand, or to prevent the two trolls from developing a caliginous relationship if that isn't a good idea.
We haven't really seen a functional ashen relationship in canon, so instead:
KARKAT'S CHEESY MOVIE BASED IMPRESSIONS: While Karkat will understand the basics, he'll have a really unrealistic picture of romance. Every relationship is serendipitous! It's simply meant to be, and you can tell immediately meeting someone that they're someone special, even if there's not a smooth path to a happy ending. It's love or hate at first sight that is simply meant to be! Obstacles couples face may include nefarious romantic rivals or unfortunate misunderstandings or a partner who has given up on romance and has to learn to follow their heart again, but other problems mean they aren't the one.
I'm also going to guess romcoms tend to put moirails and auspictices on a pedestal -- think about the best friend who always gives flawless advice in romcoms to follow your heart, and you have the conciliatory quadrants. That is, unless they are trying to get our protagonist's concupiscent quadrant for themselves! There are also romcoms about these quadrants, of course.
Also guessing that troll romcoms involve a lot of vacillation. Since trolls are also culled if they don't have their quadrants filled, a happy ending in a romcom involves a romantic rival being killed by imperial drones, that is unless they are sympathetic in which case they'll switch to a different quadrant. Either way, troll romcoms are surprisingly violent and brutal for romantic fluff movies.